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10 Signs of a Carnal Church

This is a fascinating take on the state of affairs in the church today as chronicled by CRAIGE LEWIS of EX Ministries.

Finding a worldliness free church these days can be disheartening. There are so many crooks and devils pastoring churches these days, it can be a chore finding a service that will meet your needs rather than tickle your fancy. The bible tells us that the Devil can transform himself into an angel of light and his ministers into ministers of unrighteousness. Why in the world would a person desire to be in a church that is full of unrighteousness and carnality? Why not just club, party, and hang out in the world where that stuff belongs? I don’t understand why people even involve the church of God in their wickedness. What is the point? If you are in sin, then why practice sin and claim him?

But we see the church morally declining because of the leaders that are put up by carnal people. It’s not just the Pastors fault, but it’s the people that heap upon themselves these teachers, desiring to live worldly and carnal while claiming the God of our salvation. Let’s explore the 10 signs of a carnal church so that those of you that are really searching for a worship house will not have to sit through multiple takes of foolishness to make a decision. You do not want to expose your family to the umbrella of foolishness that many of these churches are operating under. So, here are the 10 signs of a carnal church:

10. Cash Money Evangelists – When you find out that preachers like the “money cometh man” has visited this church or they are under them in any way, make that your first and last visit! Pastors that want money will bring these thieves in or set themselves under them to be in position to get rich. They will use the pulpit like an Amway presentation and bring in these money stealing evangelist to generate income. This is a trick because while the Pastor gets richer, the people in the church get dumb and poor. Some will prosper because they were already prosperous, but the average person will never get any more than they would have already gotten had they not financed foolishness. Beware, it’s a spiritual pyramid scheme!

9. Financial focus – When you hear about offering and tithes before the offering period, beware. When you keep hearing about blessings, season, harvest, destiny, purpose, breakthrough, and especially FAVOR, then know you are being set up. All these things should pertain to soul winning, but when they are used as financial buzz words, then you know the pastor needs cash. The bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil and anytime money is overly emphasized in a ministry, there is evil following it. So, if they have a space on the visitors card to state your income bracket, proceed to the nearest exit!

8. Bad language – Any pastor that will use profanity in his pulpit is childish! That is one of the most carnal things you will ever see and it speaks volumes of the pastors lifestyle outside of the church. The bible says that if the tongue is out of order, the rest of the body is as well, so, you just got your sign on whether or not this is the person to bring your family under. And if the word for every Sunday is “SEX” then you know something is going on. PG-13 is too high a rating for Sunday morning worship. Why in the world would anyone tolerate a cussing pastor? Are we that desperate for a man to be over us that we would allow him to do what many of us don’t do in front of our own families? What a shame and yet it is happening at an alarming rate.

7. Divorce rate – You can learn a lot about a ministry and what kind of attacks it is experiencing by the number of divorces that are occurring. When people in leadership of a ministry divorce, it’s not the same as lay members divorcing. God hates divorce because it essentially says that people are giving up and not giving him a chance to reconcile them. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes, the circumstances may call for divorce based on abuse, or one party not being willing to work it out, but when people just mutually agree that they don’t want each other anymore, then that is what displeases God. And a church that is full of divorced couples is dangerous. Especially when it’s in the leadership and they can’t seem to work out their differences. And you never want to put yourself under a pastor that struggles with marital issues. When a man’s focus is his church rather than his family, beware. He is a hound dog on the prowl, seeking gratification outside his own home! Believe That!!!

6. Sinful Alliances – When the Bishop or Leader of the parent organization of your church is brought in by the pastor, check him out. If he has a bunch of homosexuals flying around with him or he is carnal and devilish, then expect the same from your pastor. A man cannot sit under wickedness long, without being affected by it. Psalms tells us that the wicked walk around freely when the vilest of men are exalted. When men come under foul leaders, they are essentially saying that they would rather position themselves for a position in the organization than protect their church from sinfulness. After all, isn’t being apart of a wicked organization saying that you are in essence in favor of wickedness? Be careful of this double standard. It’s not about the organization in God’s eyes, but it’s about the people that the Pastor is suppose to be caring for.

5. Homosexuals and Lesbians – If you walk into the building and they are everywhere, leave! Any man that attracts homosexuals is a homosexual. Any pastor that allows homosexuals to roam freely in his ministry is probably a homosexual. Any man that defends the gay lifestyle is most likely gay. Any man that has a tolerance for the lifestyle is probably gay. Any man that doesn’t get squeamish when they are surrounded by homosexuals likes the attention. People, why are we playing around with this? Why are we making this a non issue? It’s an obvious problem. Homosexuals will not thrive in a ministry that does not condone them. They will repent and be delivered if the power of God is truly in a ministry. If the leader tolerates their lifestyles and uses their talents without delivering their souls, then he is a pimp and should be avoided. This one should be a no brainer.

4. Club Attire – If the Pastor wears an earring, don’t get out the car! How can you ever have standards in your home and amongst your sons when the very pastor of the church is modeling vanity and showing he is a playa? Also, if people are walking around sexy in church and no one cares, then you know that church is not practicing holiness. I’m not saying that folks have to have crusty lips and nappy hair, but what I’m saying is that, butt cracks, cleavage, and belly buttons should not be outfit accessories! And please, let’s not get on the women and not touch on the men. We see that too often where the women have to look like national geographic natives, but the men can prance around dressed like Superfly! Let’s balance this out and just say, the church is not the club. We must not be intentionally sexy in the house of God. Tight fitting clothes and such just don’t belong in God’s house. God is the focus, so hide your meat!

3. Secular Remakes – If you visit a ministry and they welcome all the single people with Beyonce’s song “single ladies” or they sing “reasons” to the married couples, then you know you are in a den of debauchery. If they had a memerial service for MJ, then you are in punkdom and need to leave! Any church that has to resort to old and new school secular jams to keep people interested is nothing but a bootleg club and they need to start stamping hands. What happened to the “NEW SONG” that David spoke of? Why are people singing the worlds songs in church? The secular artists that wrote them are complaining and they want their songs back on the radio and in the world where they can get paid for them, not in the church. What a shame.

To read the rest of the article click here.

Editor’s Note: “If we do not preach about sin and God’s judgment on it, we cannot present Christ as Saviour from sin and the wrath of God. And if we are silent about these things, and preach a Christ who saves only from self and the sorrows of this world, we are not preaching the Christ of the Bible . . . Such preaching may soothe some, but it will help nobody; for a Christ who is not seen and sought as a Saviour from sin will not be found to save from self or from anything else”


6 responses to “10 Signs of a Carnal Church

  1. Admin February 17, 2010 at 13:54

    I love this article! This is exactly what the people need to hear. It like there eyes are closed to the truth. Stay tuned, this has inspired me to write an article on the condition of our people. I will be adding you to my blogroll….
    Shalom ach.

  2. Chris February 17, 2010 at 18:14

    I have a concern about many parts of this blog (is it just me?) – namely the opening – points 10, 9, 5 and 4.

    Firstly,the opening paragraph regarding finding a church that will ‘meet your needs’ – is that what we are really looking for? A church that will meet our needs? Or should we be looking to be a part of a community, a loving & accepting community who are all on a journey with Christ working out there salvation…If you are looking for the church to ‘meet your needs’ certainly you better watch out big time (regardless of what you see the pastor/leaders do)…(and don’t get me wrong – I am not saying that the church won’t meet your needs but that should not be our primary focus)

    10 & 9 – many churches are so apologetic for talking about money…why should they be? Isn’t tithing is a biblical principle? – The bible is clear about giving to God what is His…sure – if a leader/pastor is asking you to give above and beyond what is scriptural,wise or managable, then discernment is required.

    5 – Homosexuality, Lesbians…would you rate this lifestyle any different of that of a promiscuous hetrosexual who was constantly committing adultery? I have seen quite a few christian males who have struggled with overcoming there homosexuality as too have I seen christian men struggle with addictions to pornography – I am the first to state that homosexuality is not Gods plan for his people but neither is adultery, lying, coveting, etc. Lets not limit number 5 just to Homosexuality and Lesbianism…lets say that we should be addressing all behaviours that are not Godly…so actually we should be looking to make sure that the Pastor is teaching biblical truths wouldn’t you say? Number 5 makes me squeamish just reading it (am I gay then?). Jesus ‘came to seek and save what was lost’ Luke 19-10…He was rejected so we could be accepted – point 5 is almost ignoring the fact that Jesus asks us to come as we are – repent of our lifestyles and allow the holy spirit to transform us…so okay – you may enter a church and see people who have not yet been fully transformed (please excuse me as I am one of those who has not got it altogether – are you??) If a church is experiencing miraculous growth I would expect that there would be alot of new christians – not yet mature in Christ – and yes the ‘old natures’ may rear their ugly heads…should we generalise that the church is carnal then and so is the pastor? (I would be interested in your opinions) If the individuals stay that way and there appears no growth in individuals then yes – there is cause for concern.

    Point 4 – (sigh) please refer to my second part of point 5…transformation and renewing of the mind is a journey undertaken in relationship with Jesus and in his people – a loving community of believers.

    Shouldn’t we be looking to be a part of a community where we can, as Jesus commanded in John 13:34 ‘Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.’ …look at the early church – look at the people Jesus used as disciples…they did and said wrong things all the time…dont get me wrong – it does not mean we have to accept evil things or like evil these things but we should build each other up in love and truth…a heart change – this is what will bring about real transforming change that will be visible to all.

    The rest of the blog – its okay…

    • Acidri February 18, 2010 at 13:12

      Hi Chris, thank you for your heartfelt comments. When i look at the church and the world, Im reminded of the story about the dog and the flea. The flea eventually tells the dog, “If only you didnt scratch we would just get on very well.” The article above does address disturbing but true trends and fads within the body. Some are old some are new….but never theless the title of the article is a misnomer-there are no such things as carnal churches or carnal christians. Jesus did make it clear that you are either his or not…sheep or goat…in light or darkness…redeemed or damned….a new creation or not…i wouldnt want to say Jesus has a carnal church…a partly redeemed church maybe not. Jesus too said some goats will come dressed in sheeps skin….people who name the name of christ but their lives persistantly do not show evidence of repentance or fruits of it….Looking at the ten virgins that were waiting for a groom in one of his parables he drew a distinction too….five were ready five were not….he took the ready ones and told the other virgins…sorry i do not know you.God saves his own, nurtures them, sanctifies them and will glorify them. Modern church trends try to become as inclusive as possible so as to be relevant and socially affiable. i do aggree with some of what you highlight as in a christian may be immature but on the other hand i am bound by what the Bible says. Like paul i want to be a slave to christ who took the wrath of God and suffered in my stead. Let the word of God continue to be your ultimate source for defining your relevance. If it says friendship with the world is enemity with God then take it at its word.Or better still forget about yourself…carry your cross and follow him. You might find this article by John Macarthur possibly nails this point, “The Church versus the World”

  3. Trish February 17, 2010 at 21:41

    Very good points. The church has become too worldly and has compromised the Truth too much. The church needs to realize that it is not a social club. It is all about Christ. He is first and the center of why the church meets. The church needs to be repentant and live by the Word of God. Plus, if the pastor is going to interpret Scripture correctly, then I would not expect to see any homosexuals there unless they were there to repent and give their life to Christ.

  4. Cristian February 18, 2010 at 10:07

    Thx for the link
    It looks like you are very concerned about worldliness.
    I am glad I got t know you. This topic is not much heard today.
    Right now I am reading “Christless Christianity”. Very good book (and very sad)

  5. Eddie Eddings July 31, 2010 at 03:15

    Excellent article – Excellent blog! Glad to find more out there with edge and humor. I would love to add you to my blog list but, in Kuwait, where i be livin’, my ability to add to my list is blocked. I have you bookmarked and I will be returning often. Bless you brother, and keep up the God work!

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